If we are going to do a europe tourney we should start preparing now and advertise.

I totally agree regarding Europe tbh Europe was on my list of the next tourneys i planned to host before it posted to be done in July, always felt the date along with no advertising meant it could possibly fail. The 3 tourneys i planned on hosting being desert 1v1, europe 2v2 and another 1v1 master of bloods tourney.

Europe needs heavily advertised in rm like we done last time and which ended up with a great turnout. Details of the previous tourney can be found here http://www.voobly.com/forum/thread/44127/0

What I propose regarding August is 5th for desert and the 19th for 2v2 Europe. Now ive freed a bit of time im planning on hosting more regularly

5th - 1v1 Desert (Army)
12th - 3v3 CBA (Kuvvy)
19th - 2v2 Europe
26th - n/a. maybe master of bloods 4?

Hmm, we just had 4v4 Hero tournament. maybe 1v1 or 2v2 would be better of it?

Gonna do master of bloods in September, il be in Cyprus from the 24th of August for 2 weeks. What about a cb tourney on the 26th?

my personal note; I don't know how many teams you can find for 4v4 Smosh tourney.
But we had 9 teams over there last night. it was robin system and 3 games per round. 3-4 teams refused to play. I rly cant understand that, they clearly say that they only want to play 3 games whole tourney and get 1st. bs....

I don't get this point of view. I feel my team could of easily gotten 1st yesterday, but to me personally it wouldn't of been right with only 4-5 teams left actually playing.
Players need to know what they are getting into when they sign up. There was no announcement of a round robin format on the tournament page. I told you as soon as I saw the round robin that I would change the format. To further complicate things you the tournament moderator were playing in the tournament so when people were complaining no one was there to answer them. Lord was extremely confused on what was going on as well as 75% of the players playing the tournament.
The format itself I think could have played out decently. But this format would have needed to be announced in advance so players could know what they were getting into. Most of the players casually signing up don't want to play 24+ games of the same map over and over. I don't even think the majority of the players playing agreed with the format selection.

P.S. I know no one has responded on my other thread but I strongly think that players hosting events should not be allowed to play in the event they are hosting.

Army has been asking me to select civ match-ups for the tournament.

I'm thinking along the lines of:

• Mongols and Huns - Both fast civs in rush.
• Celts and Saracens - Balanced match-up on water and on land.
• Chinese and Japanese - Both have similar tech-lines.
• Aztec/Goth - Always a nice match-up.
• Franks/Byz (for Semis or Final) - Avoid using in early stages of tournament
• Viking/Viking for final.

edit; You'll have to push this event back 2 weeks, and start adding publicity now. There are some Europe players coming back but they will need to know early if they're any chance to make a team and participate. Right now I can think of; Myself, Charlie, Leon, Nick, Cloudz, Snow, Geen, Dave, Rick, Hoodlum, Sean, Fran, Cena, Volcom, Naz, Taff, Glenn, Fish, Bose, Madcow, Lyr, Fayt, Nightz, Donnie, Dan, Ben, and possibly 3-4 RM based teams like a weak RVK, Arg, etc.

It can be a good event, if we advertise it well. Need to make rules well in advance too. I've tried to set-up the early rounds to favour rushing, and the later rounds to favour player ability.

edit; I was a big fan of the double elimination format, if two big teams get paired up early it sucks if one gets knocked out early in terms of quality records.

maybe we can adv it in [You must login to view link] too.
it's gonna be great event for sure.

Yeah to be honest i think we need to postpone it a bit again, the question for me is when then (maybe start of september?) Purely on the basis we need to advertise this one heavy especially in rm. Atm we are advertising quite a few tourneys and tbh i think this one needs proper attention so dont want to confuse it as just another tourney. I do think the last one was a huge success seeing how we got so many rmers involved last time and tbh i dont see any reason we cant make this one a bigger success. Yeah for sure we need to advertise it on aoczone.net. It might also be a good idea from an advertising presective to get some of the current euro cs players hosting it non rated in rm to help gather some extra interest. Now that ive got the civs the thread is ready to post, just need to settle on a date and we can go ape **** advertising it

The rules we used last time i think worked perfectly and i agree with Ben i love the double elimination element used recently in the smosh tourney and i do think we should do it for the euro tourney.

Depending on the turn out, I might try it again for the desert tourney as well, naturally will have to wait till the day

It works well, it doesn't instantly dishearten people if they lose.

I'm sure myself or BzH can ask Aoc-Zone to promote the tournament on their front page once we've decided on a date and settings. We should ask Dave (Marauder) to make a banner for it, he'll oblige for Europe.

Is there anything you would change from the rules from here http://www.voobly.com/forum/thread/44127/0
apart from obviously the civs and the double elimination

Seems well thought out. Maybe removing England and Africa would make games go faster, as well as add the oldschool nostalgia to the map (Greece, Italy, Spain being traditional starting spots in 2v2 from before Voobly - France close enough to England).

On the other hand, it could hurt the integrity of the map. I've done my best to avoid defensive powerhouse civs (Turks/Pers/Koreans/Byz(Until finals) and civs that lack Cannon Galleon (minus Aztec/Goth round but Aztec stronger on land)., without sacrificng interesting records and range of strategy. I think the civs have been paired up fairly well. Also removing England/Africa can stop players getting trapped with a non-naval civ (Aztecs) as the islands tend to suck, whereas the other spots are manageable if you lose water.

If time constraint wasn't an issue last tournament then let's not worry. Maybe if we do use a loser bracket, apply the map edit I suggested and give 20 minutes less so the rounds catch up?

Everyone i talk to about this thinks this europe tournament is a troll by now... dosn't really matter when you host it. Need premiums + advertisement or else you will be lucky to get more than 1 good team.

Just write an announcement in "General AoC Discussion" an pm a moderator to ask him to move it to news (_PkZ_/The_Prophet/DreaIVIs depending on who is online), that's what i did to advertise MoA & its updates and the TurboRandom tourneys.

If you have no banner, you can use the same VCOM Banner as me (the one on my signature).