Im going to do another masters of bloods like the previous 3 masters series on June the 9th. As usual going to try and mix it up a bit and try and get others involved in tournaments along with trying to give newer players to bloods more of a chance along with promoting some new maps. It will be a bo3 format with each of the maps being played and a decider being a different map each round. For now im going to use ray blood and teutonic blood, i havent decided on the deciders but as usual it will be a variety of maps using the likes of smosh, khans, archer blood, gwars, path, desert, dome and nova. Prizes will depend on how many turn up but shields will be added with possible premium prizes like the previous masters of bloods

Tie in with Barry.....struggling to get the Bloods league running the last 2 events.

No problem with a Masters, just don't want it wasted on not many players

Dont worry will advertise it heavily and im sure theres no dates clash, been waiting for barrys blood league to finish before doing this. Would be handy to have ray blood 1v1 as the next league map so it kinda runs into the tournament. Would be great for marketing

agreed

this current league from my point of view is not useful, i dont see new players involved, always same guys and same clans and smurfs

I don't want to see broken AOK maps in an AOC Bloods Master event.

+1

I will have to agree with the ginger for once.

My suggestion is have a pool of well known and balanced blood maps. No more than 7 that have been per-determined when the event is announced. Players won't know what to expect, or be able to plan.

The tournament host will randomly pick a map at the start of each round when the brackets are announced. Give it some sort of mystery. Each round is BO3 - swap hosts - if decider required fastest timed winner of their match decides positions for decider.

Don't involve trashy maps.

I completely disagree that teut is broken, it works perfectly well in aoc and its an anti camping map that is completely balanced and is actually being played loads atm. Fair enough its not to everyones taste but what map is? Dont get me wrong its not exactly my fav map even if i did introduce it to aoc and im actually a little hesitant to use it (but only because of the eot v vincent **** talk that im bored off) but i do think with it being simple it gives newer people a chance to beat people who are experts at bloods which is the idea behind it cause the map is new to them too. Might just put teut in the random draw of pool maps though on reflection, cause i dont want the annoucement thread being turned into an eot v vincent thread and there would be a good possibility lol

While its always good to see who the best blood players are, i think its equally if not more important to give others a chance to compete. Plus we've done tournaments in all the other maps and we have to cater to everyone and not just the same players with the same maps, we need to get more involved. Ive always found with blood players that they start with one map and once they get good at it they try playing other blood maps which in turn leads to more blood players.

Im diffently going to use Ray Blood its a new map that nobody as perfected. Was kinda thinking now that il use ray blood and give the list of maps ive named adding teut to the list of possibles. So what will happen is people will play ray blood. The next map will be randomly drawn each round and there will also be a random decider too if needed each round. The next blood masters after this i was actually thinking something along the lines of what you suggested Ben with it being completely random with different maps and deciders each round, though naturally excluding any maps used in this series

It's designed for AOK play - not for AOC. It doesn't matter how simple the map is, the newer people will not beat an expert in the map when both practice it. If it were something like CB with random civs - then yes they might get lucky.

Leave AOK maps in AOK, or host a separate AOK Blood Masters event. Take it from an expert blooder.

Then call the event something else. I guarantee you'll lose many people who'd normally play if you include obscure maps (like myself).

I found that players got into bloods when the maps were non rated. It's too late to try and bring new life into Bloods when Voobly won't treat CS logically. Now people are too comfortable with 3 CB ladders and abusing maps/players/laming to get their name higher on a leader board.

Bleh.

It was just designed to play for fun and no other reason. Many maps have made a successful trip over simply because people enjoy playing them. Plus it works perfectly fine in aoc and ive played it plenty in aok also. The only difference is the patrol all the same units exist in aoc also. By that thinking i would say all aoc maps if possible to be ported over would work better in aok because of the patrol. If a map is fair and balanced and some people enjoy playing it then i dont see a problem. I would be the first to say a map needs fixing if it didnt work proper. For example i got sauron to make an aoc desert blood because the original desert blood in aok didnt work proper because sabs are important against campers and scorps arent nearly as powerful in aoc so were replaced with khans.

Sure an expert should win but if a map hasnt been perfected by that expert then the newer player stands more of a chance. By hosting only the same maps over and over again inevitably we only have the same players competing and for the biggest part even playing. A newer player still stands more of a chance to compete in a map that hasnt been perfected by an expert.

There is nothing to stop anyone hosting a masters of bloods in aok and its something il do also at a point. Ive always been an advocate that if someone puts the effort into hosting and running a tournament then then they are more than entitled to try and host whatever they want. Every masters of bloods ive hosted (the first 3 with this being the 4th) as used aok maps and all have been successful, they are called a master of bloods purely because there is a number of bloods maps being used so naturally it will still be a master of bloods just like the others. But as usual im trying to mix it up a little and make it a bit different to previous tournaments and hopefully trying to get others competing and playing.

It is impossible to cater for everyone as people will always want to play the maps they prefer so by using other maps im also trying to give others a chance to play maps they enjoy in a tournament too. Im sure some wont play because of the maps but thats the case for every tournament ever hosted tbh. Most people however i think play tournaments for a bit of fun tbh. It would be a shame if you didnt play as i know u like some of the maps, even if it is just to play for a bit of fun

I agree its easier to get people playing bloods initially when they arent rated and with it being a tournament they are playing a risk free way of not losing points. I do agree its hard to bring new life into bloods but i certainly wont give up. I dont blame rate though on bloods decline even though it can simply bring the worse out in players like playing cheap for example. Ive seen it being played successfully before in aok when the only things played in rated room where bloods, rm and dm. Then again back then bloods where also very prominent in the non rated cs rooms and people generally only played in rated when they got good. We simply abused anyone trying to play cba in rated room tbh. I just blame cba in general because it got too damn popular. Its almost impossible to reverse peoples mindset to play something else over something they enjoy already. But as ive already said i wont give up

Meh, I don't think AOK maps hold place in an AOC Masters event. A lot of the AOK maps are abused for rating by non-blood players, I'm not going to support them by participating in a tournament promoting these maps. I guess someone with my background in AOC and bloods opposed to your AOK background will hold different opinion on what constitutes an AOC Blood Masters event.

Good luck with it, sorry to say I won't be assisting in any form.

I understand your opinion and respect it and can see why our opinions may differ due to backrounds. But as ive always said any map and every map gets abused regardless of where it was made. Personally however what i would say though is that in my opinion i find it refreshing to see certain cbaers now playing bloods as its actually adding new blood players who were previously only playing cbs. Sure sometimes they play noobs who dont know the maps but theyre also playing for the most part anyone who enters their room including experts and smurfs. What as always happened in the history of blood ratings is that those who play few maps can generally get a higher rating than those who play multiple maps.

Certain people for example have also inflated their rate by also only playing one civ in 1v1 cba for example. I personally welcome any cbaer who tries playing bloods simply cause it adds another blooder even it means for the most part they only play one blood map initially (one map noobs we called them). What generally happens though is they start trying other blood maps also when they see bloods can be fun.

With all that being said it would still be nice to see you play but its up to you even if it is just for a bit of fun

So to summarise you don't want to bring out the best quality from the most difficult blood maps in a tournament named "Blood Masters", but instead make it a **** around tournament to let noobs stand a better chance against better skilled people.

Makes sense to call it an AOC Blood Masters event. Mockery of bloods community.

Well thats your opinion and its one your entitled too. I think it makes a mockery of the word series if it only used lets say the same (difficult to master) maps over and over again with only the same people playing and competing. We have to try and cater to everyone over a series. There will be masters events in the future over the series using only the difficult to masters bloods too.

People have a difference in opinion on what are the most difficult blood maps are as each map involves its own skill set though for the most part i think opinions would be similar, but its a pointless debate now as everyone will have there own opinion. Of very recent times some of the more difficult maps have been used in tournaments and very importantly over the series we have to try and cater to everyone and try and attract new players to tournaments also by using different maps. The idea behind a masters series and series being the important word here is a multitude of maps over the series which as been the case. Think of it this way whats more difficult to win a tournament only a handful of people can compete in or one a larger pool can compete in? By using different maps it means experts also need to be good at more than just the maps they have perfected and are comfortable with over years. What as generally happened however is the better players have adapted and proved themselves the better players and looking at the previous tournaments progressed usually anyway, so clearly by adapting to different skill sets they arent initially comfortable with they have proven themselves masters. But what we have seen is people being able to put up a better fight.

I think its harder to win a tournament using maps you havent perfected over one using maps you have perfected. There is a good mix of maps on offer of both difficult to master maps, mainstream aoc bloods, new bloods, maps that havent been done recently, maps that are popular now, maps to cater to more than just the same people and maps that will take people out of their comfort zone.

It all comes down to opinion and its something that everyone is entitled too with nobody being right or wrong.

I've come to terms that Voobly will not and cannot bring back the fun and vibrant nature CS used to have. Stuff like this just brings further frustration and disappointment. Feel free to remove me from the VCOM team, there's not enough opinion shared here and there's a dying interest in high level competitiveness. I hold no interest in assisting Voobly anymore Losing Barry over this is a huge blow as well. The fault lies with no one here to be clear.

PS. Gimme my blood league prizes!