I'll play.

XceL Eot & ViCiouS talk to your clans.. find out whos interested to do this and post here.. once each team has atleast 5-6 (unless they are fine to play with 4) post so we can start to get a date selected. As for the voobly team.. From what ive seen atleast efkan and damian are interested... hopefully andreas too.. just find teammates you'd want to team and sign up as well.

Last time we did a qualification stage the main part failed cos nobody showed up.

No, it stays simple since the chance of success is still slim even now.

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Atm I am moving to a new place. I need one more week then I'll be on more. I would like to play blood gg's.

you want maps which you feel are definite wins... same reason you forced spider in the XceL war.. same reason as 2v2s in a 4v4 map war years ago.

Anyway take that rivalry and us kicking your ass into retirement when you played with XceL and actually forming a team to play in this event.

any time is ok for me and vezir.
weekends 19gmt is preferred.

Sean I really wonder why you are like this. You are the leader of one of the best CS clans, but you behave like a total r3t4rd. Everybody is doing their best to save what is left of our community and you remain so hostile against people with whom you have played this game for sh1t loads of years.

It is ok to have a different opinion about maps or about the past, but the way you present your views and talk to others(fellow blooders) is plain sad. And it is not even like you are in a game and call somebody a camper or r3t4rd because you are competitive and don't want to lose. You really take it to another level. It isn't productive for what is left of this community and I would advice you to behave differently and show some respect.

This tournament idea was something I talked about with barry before setting it up.. im the one trying to get people to actually do wars most of the time or play more competitive 'official' matches. I dont remain hostile against people.. but when damian brings up stupid past from few years ago then yes ill be defensive about it because theres 2 sides to every story... and then you even come on the thread and +1 it.

Even your own clanmates know you forced spider because you saw you guys had naz yourself and a much much stronger team than Eot had.. same reason back then you wanted dome because you thought you were unbeatable in it and wanted the easy way out.

Either way rivalry and this kind of thing sparks competition... so lets stop going into the past from here on... you guys organize your 'voobly' team... I'll see whos interested from Eot.. and XceL/ViCiouS do the same.

You and Damian are the ones who cant resist little digs about the past and started this, so stop acting so high and mighty efkan, because if you really want to drag up the past, well, yours isnt exactly clean. How about we all just shut the **** up about whatever has happened in the past and just focus on this tournament/league/whatever the **** you want to call it and stop having digs at each other?

Well it is good if you are trying to help Barry organize things. I can only support you two in this.

And about me wanting to play Spider and Dome. Well I like these two maps and I am good in them(in the past and now). So I think it is natural for me to want to play these 2 maps in this tournament ? Just like how Mike would like to play graves I geuss. My motivation to play Spider and Dome is not purely based on the desire to win(ofcourse I like to win, who likes to lose), but also because these 2 maps give me the most pleasure of all the maps in CS. So it is not a coincidence that I am good in them in the first place.

My intention was not to insult or stir something up when I posted 1+ on Damian's remark, but that honestly is my opinion lol, but at the same time I do realize that you think differently about this matter and that is oke too.

I have been in countless wars, as far back as 300 vs XZ, sN vs xD series etc(I did not get to play, i was just hero worshipping Sirred, GQKU and Wing back in the day) and in my honest humble opinion 2v2 maps were always included. It is relatively new that 2v2 maps are not included anymore and this thing could have started with Vicious. It doesn't have to be with EOT, but it is relatively new. But AOC has been here for ages, so when we say relatively new it still means it hasn't been used for 4 years or so, so in the end it is all relative.

In the end I am pro 2v2 maps, because I think Dome is one of the best blood maps. It took me really long time to master it and it still challanges me to this day. For me to say no to dome is like to say no to bloods, BUT THIS IS MY OPINION.

PS: me and Damian don't even talk. In the last Germs tournament in the finals I called him a camper fag, run some more and he called me a brainless **** camper. I don't think he is a bad person. And to be honest I don't even think he really camps. He just plays Germs like CBA and as a traditionalist I don't like it so I resulted into **** talk 11.

you were in LC during its 2nd war with vicious years ago.. you didnt rally or force some 2v2 map on that war... you were in LC on voobly or IGZ when Eot tried to have a war with them and didnt try to force 2v2 on it. Only time you've tried to force 2v2 is when you ideally think you wont be beat.. maybe im wrong and what you are saying is the truth.. but thats just how I see it. As for spider... tell me if this is the truth or not... you thought with a team of you barry naz justin.. we couldnt even touch you guys or come close at the time.. I cant think in my head you thought we were equals so it would be a good game and want to play it vs us.

in my opinion wars are made for 4v4 because its your 4 best vs theirs.. its a more ideal representation of the clan. If a lot of people want 2v2 in this map list I wont have a problem with it.. as I feel were quite strong in dome/ss anyway.

Hopefully we can just stop with this, and make this event work out.... it has all the potential to work.. just needs willing people to make it happen now.

• Honestly, wars on Zone are far from a good example for how we should be promoting them in this era of gaming. They were plagued by Smurfs/ clans, ****ed map choices, disputes over who actually won (LC/sN anyone?) and full of cowardice (xl were feared). They had war records based on pumping 40 no name "clans" who didn't even understand patrol yet.
• Our aim as ViCiouS leading into our first war with LC was to beat LC using as much of our player roster as possible. We had 14 players compete over 7 maps, which is unheard of in wars. That's a reflection of how I think a clan should function.
• I don't think 2v2 maps are the best way of showcasing a clans strength. Yes, some 2v2 maps are great, filled with skill and competitive.
• Leave your past quarrels behind you for this event. Can any of you say that reigniting forum battles of events that did or most likely didn't happen from years ago ever lead to stuff getting done in this community? No, it just leads to further resentment between our diminishing bloods community, in which case we do not need it. It's just selfish ego conflicts that will go unresolved, because nobody stands down and admits defeat in a forum war. I, as you guys here arguing, are guilty of this and have got to stop it.
• Can we, from this point, as a collective agree to not bring up the past in this topic. Rather, let's talk about the future of our beloved blood maps past this tournament. The best way to start is by playing this tournament on a fresh plate.
• My last point, and most important. Politics have go to go out the door for this to work. We just have to suck it up and play to the rules set, not by the rules we influence to give our teams an advantage. The best team will adapt and perform. This is why the Random League has grown on me. There are so many maps in it I would never have played, and there are still maps I resent greatly in it; however, these are maps others enjoy, and they are what will attract a bigger player base for CS outside of CBA.
  
  To put it into perspective so I don't come off as self-righteous, I do not approve of AB, Path or Radical being involved. I can say that a majority of our clan share similar feelings if they are aware of the map pool. But **** it, ViCiouS is here for the party, and we will do our best to pull together a team, even if we have to play those maps on a ****ed patch like 1.4RC. You ****s best practice.

agreed completely with your post ben.

The concept and idea of this I created and talked with Barry about before these posts were made... Idea was basically to get all of bloods current best together over the old school and (in ab/paths case) more popular maps of this era for fair playing ground. If a clan has its strength in something like vicious in graves for example.. or XceL in AB... theres the veto option created which I dont think has ever been used before for a tournament (correct me if im wrong).

Most of us have been in clans together at some point.. for the ones of us from zone we've played in plenty of wars or competitive tgs over many years now... so about time to do something thats similar to a war but competitive at the same time and not just with 2 clans.

Also to add onto this... I was thinking that with each of these bo5's.. they are all played out, so even if you win 3-0.. you play the last 2 maps out. and the team who has the most total map wins after all games are played is the winner.

Also was thinking for the decider map to be smosh.. its pretty much the most commonly known and used map... old school days was almost always the end decider for a bo7 in wars... AND I think pretty much every team involved in this tournament feels they can field a solid 4 person team in smosh.