Ok guys let me start with whats most important and that is no more arguing, baiting and off course whatever that was towards the end of the last thread. It has been moved and archived as a warning why eating crayons is just wrong. Try and be a bit mature. I would've just deleted posts but felt I would've needed to delete half the thread which means I would've had to read some of it again, im sure you understand for those that read it.

I want to address some of the points made in the previous thread like for example roster sizes and the set up of the tournament. Personally I would much prefer to do a TIW over just a team tournament for a number of reasons including id prefer to see the tribalism it brings, its easier to arrange with a clan in general things like setting it up and of course im just more interested in general to watching it as im sure most would be. Now im not totally against a team tournament but by a distance id prefer a TIW. With that said I also feel in order to get a TIW that would mostly be made up of clans and due to inactivity in order to make it as competitive as possible we would also need some really good teams made up to play against the clans. I think it brings an added interest to see teams competing against clans in order to beat them.

A number of you also spoke alot in the previous thread about roster sizes and I get it that some may or may not feel some have players who could easily play in alot of maps but may only play in certain selected maps. Well theres a few sides to it one the players themselves may get to play in more maps which they may prefer but also the viewer may also get to see them play in more maps. Now as I already mentioned in the previous thread if roster limits where too small then quite a few would simply not get to play perhaps at all which I feel is not only unfair to them but also the viewer. I would genuinely feel bad for someone being left out, so as mentioned I think it would only be fair for clans to allow those members to perhaps play for another team to get game time. Maybe they can then show their clan why they were wrong to not be included as a first pick?

So with that said regarding roster sizes and being that im actually even against it now myself on reflection but knowing some want one and some don't. Then simply saying having a roster cap of say 7/8 and then allowing those not in the 7/8 to play for another team? Remember im suggesting a TIW that also includes clans and teams.

I know it was spoke about by a number of us in the previous thread about potential a and b teams and tbh I simply don't think any or really ever has there been anyone deep enough to have 2 teams. Im not against it if a team can prove me wrong and enter 2 teams that fine but I really dont see how its a possibly nor do I think anyone should be forced but im cool with if someone volunteers to it. Maybe a clan might say ok we are setting up a b team clan to play and get them to join that and then invite certain others to play in it that it might work?

Anyway what I would like is some mature feedback and of course let me know if your interested as in eg. my clan wants in, we have 2 teams, we would be happy for a tiw/clan/team tournament, we dont mind our other members playing for a team etc... I know some have expressed an interest in the previous thread but I feel after how it was going we need to start again.

I am more than happy to discuss with whoever when they see me online or even through pms if necessary though naturally better to get me on my bad account.

Count on RB to vote for desert blood

Honestly the option of limiting rosters to 7/8 players and then telling the other members 'they aren't good enough to play for the first team' and that they should for another clan, to me it seems like we are pushing them out the clan.

I can't find a reason why should clans limit their roster. If it was a teams tournament than limiting rosters would be a good option, but it doesn't seem a good option in clans because than only all-around players would be selected for the first teams and those who can play on 1-2 maps would be left out.

No clan out there can choose 8 members and still have players of any real ability. You will end up with a few hero players who aren't good enough to play their main map and know nothing else. Those people are probably just in those clans for the reflected glory and won't bother to join other teams.

Last TIW I was all for roster limits as there was legit depth to clans like 7th/Eot that potentially could have entered as a best of the rest team.

I think everyone should vote for it, select it, play it and of course it carries favour with the host

Believe me i understand this and I would genuinely feel bad for anyone not in the first pick but also whoever it was who had to tell them. I kind of think its wrong to mess with the dynamic within any clan and its kind of why im not really in favour of a roster limit. Maybe and im just saying maybe if there was a cap they could be asked would they help run some kind of b team with friends not in the clan or something im really not sure. I mean I think its very clear no clan is deep enough to have an a and b team but maybe even have a few helping to make up some kind of b team that included friends of said players or the clan to even just help to make up the numbers?

The problem with no players limit is most of good players will be in two or three clans. You will end with 3 strong clans only and rest noobs.
With 5 or 6 players limit teams, we will have at least 5 strong teams have potential to win, it will be more competitive.

Realistically:

• Everyone who isn't an all rounder avoids this type of tournament in the first place.
• Some clans just don't bother showing up for the tournament (eot).
• Most inactives probably won't come back for a team based tournament, especially when they will be forced to get up to scratch in every map as there is no room for specialists.
• You will end up with less teams that could win as one super team of top all rounders will wipe the floor with everyone.

A 5 person limit is too restrictive to expect less skilled people to take part and an 8 person limit is probably pointless as almost no clan has more than 8 competitive players.

If this was just a CBA Hero event then sure, would be fine to restrict to 5 players.

[DISCLAIMER] This is MY OPINION, if you disagree it's fine, propose your own, no need for **** talk[/DISCLAIMER]

I don't really see any clan making a 'B' team so i don't really get the point in a roster limit. XCS and Eot are the biggest clans and honestly even without a roster lock i doubt any team is fielding more than like 8 players, CS is hardly thriving. If you cut it to 6 or something all that's gonna happen is, those 2-3 players who were gonna play a couple of maps don't get to play anything now. They aren't all rounders and probably aren't really motivated to make some team of people who weren't good enough for the main roster in their clan. I don't see the value in a roster lock because of this. No issue with smaller teams forming hybrid clans or doing a dv8/xcel type thing.

Not interested, gl

IC supports the idea of a TiW clans tournament with no roster limit.

IMO a teams tournament wouldn't be as exciting as a regular TiW, but if it is the only way to make it work, we'd support the host and the teams involved, but sadly, a number of IC members would not participate, since our interest is to have competitive games on a clans tournament.

Excuse my bad grammar and overall english, I'm tired AF rn and don't really coordinate my words nor my hands or feet.

I'm only speaking for myself here but based on the level of the past 2v2 TIW team challenge tournament compared to the level of the 'real' TIW previous clan tournaments, I wouldn't bother playing any team event unless it's clans based. It just makes the whole thing far more competitive.

The next issue about rosters I see good arguments on both sides. Small/any roster limit gives advantage to teams with smaller, less active clans who have a core of good overall players, whilst no limit is more representative of the entire clan and allows all 'niche' players to play.

In an ideal world there wouldn't be any limit, but if people feel like it won't be competitive in this case, there are then 2 options:

1- A limit of 4-5 per clan team, this in a lot of ways is the best route BECAUSE it then does allow clans to realistically field 2 teams each. I think this would be easily achievable, but I doubt clans like xCs would field a B team.

2- A limit of 7-8 per clan team, this way the probability is that only 1 team per clan is fielded. This will reduce 1 mappers/niche players, but will also reduce no. of teams in the tournament. Realistically, if we were to go for option 2, I see no real advantage over unlimited, after all the 'niche' players are actually in the clan!!

Conclusion, option 1 = possibly 7-12 teams but less representative of a clan war as such limited numbers used, option 2 = 4-6 teams but more clan members used; or unlimited numbers ideally. Unlimited is the best and is consistent with previous TIW's. I'd like to see TIW clan tournament, unlimited rosters with at least 6 clans in a round robin format, we just need the clan names.

I'd like to see all of the people who want to play, actually play as oppose to hiding behind previous wins or words. It is after all a game, the extent of these forums shows people are interested, just play haha. PS. I'd also like to see $200-$500 entered per clan with prize entirely for winners!

Clan names:
[Eot_]
xCs_
DySR
[IC]

I'd say basically out of the following; [Dy], ViCiouS, [7th], [xCeL], dv8 and clan-less people who want to participate, we need to form and enter 2 more clans to make it a worthwhile 6 clan round robin. Don't see that it is that hard really, let's get our heads together?

4-5 players limit sounds good on paper but in reality I don't think most clans/people are interested on fielding teams apart from the main one.

Just to add to my last comment, I think even with 5 clans it would be worth it in a comprehensive round robin type tournament. As in each clan plays each clan once, no final stage, so each clan plays 4 wars/other clans in the event of 5 clan entry.

We could make each war/event more comprehensive actually, i.e. 1v1/2v2/3v3&4v4 rounds, and some kind of rule about having to play a minimum amount of players for the 1v1/2v2 round as per previous TIW's.

What I see is that [Dy] has gone very inactive in past few weeks, ViCiouS is just dave right now, [7th] is just Andreas (unless any others would want in?), [xCeL] is just Cena/Krasic, and dv8 is just Kuvvy/Bayor, stragglers may include WOLF/Les_Paul from all I can think of. May be best to try and make some kind of 5th clan and do a comprehensive 5 clan round robin TIW with unlimited rosters?

We could do something like:
1v1 BO3 - 1 point per win (these rounds would be really fast)
2v2 BO5 - 1 point per win (these rounds would be really fast)
3v3 BO5 - 2 points per win
4v4 BO5 - 2 points per win, winner of this round gets 1 additional point as to emphasise importance of 4v4

Total points up for grabs: 29, hence 1 clan wins each war. In the unlikely event of a tie breaker between 2 clans after the round robin format, could do a 1v1 finale or points based win.

Dont take dsyr into consideration.
Without Primez, I don't think they participate, they are only vaibhav and nihal

id argue they have a lot of members and potential members, like prince, primez and new recruits; lets see what they say?