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We have been playing these kinds of maps since the days of the zone and as such it is time for vooby to offically recognize these maps and add them to the competitive side of voobly
It will draw more players to gametype which will benefit voobly as well
What does it take to get this rated?
]IN LORD OF THE RINGS all players start with a set amount of units, Infantry Archers Elite cavalry Elite Infantry and mythical units related to the LOTR mythos such as Dragons Balrogs Eagles Tom Bombadil Nazgul War Oliphaunts
I have included the best and most played LOTR maps currently
The Silmarillion version 15-9
It covers the First age of Middle Earth, Morgoths war on the Elves Men and Dwarves - 5v3
Lord of the Rings - Last Alliance version fix9
It covers the end of the Second Age of Middle Earth, Elendil and Gil-Galads fight to destroy Sauron 4v3
Tale of Years BETA version 5
It covers the entire Second age and beginnings of the Third Age 4v3
Lord of the Rings - Hannibal
The first major LOTR map it covers the Third age and covers Saurons war on Men and frodo's quests to destroy the One Ring
Fate of Middle Earth - Damrod
Third Age map about the War of Sauron and the Ring
The EmpireLotR strikes back!My thoughts
If you want a rating system, you need to keep LotR away from the CS lobby. CS players don't have skill level nor the general demeanor required to play LotR - oh and the potential for cheating ohhh my goooooosh.
In regards to the rating system itself, I don't think you should have a feature that ranks players with ratings. After all, the community as a whole could never agree to picking the fairest map. Silm 15 and Tale of Years are entirely unbalanced in my opinion but should not be ignored as they remain popular. Instead, I propose you have a feature which monitors the number of games played and won with each race in each different map. 10 wins in Silm 15 is meaningless but 7 wins in Silm 15 as p2 is insightful. Anyway I suggested this idea a while ago and the ranking system was secondary to what I felt was most important - a separate lobby - so people can wait in LotR rooms and play CS/RM/DM games at the same time. Additionally, the match links would allow for people who are so inclined to collate a library of recordings etc.
I am surprised you haven't mentioned Fate of Middle Earth as it is BY FAR, the most popular, newest map.
My thoughts
If you want a rating system, you need to keep LotR away from the CS lobby. CS players don't have skill level nor the general demeanor required to play LotR - oh and the potential for cheating ohhh my goooooosh.
In regards to the rating system itself, I don't think you should have a feature that ranks players with ratings. After all, the community as a whole could never agree to picking the fairest map. Silm 15 and Tale of Years are entirely unbalanced in my opinion but should not be ignored as they remain popular. Instead, I propose you have a feature which monitors the number of games played and won with each race in each different map. 10 wins in Silm 15 is meaningless but 7 wins in Silm 15 as p2 is insightful. Anyway I suggested this idea a while ago and the ranking system was secondary to what I felt was most important - a separate lobby - so people can wait in LotR rooms and play CS/RM/DM games at the same time. Additionally, the match links would allow for people who are so inclined to collate a library of recordings etc.
My thoughts
If you want a rating system, you need to keep LotR away from the CS lobby. CS players don't have skill level nor the general demeanor required to play LotR - oh and the potential for cheating ohhh my goooooosh.
In regards to the rating system itself, I don't think you should have a feature that ranks players with ratings. After all, the community as a whole could never agree to picking the fairest map. Silm 15 and Tale of Years are entirely unbalanced in my opinion but should not be ignored as they remain popular. Instead, I propose you have a feature which monitors the number of games played and won with each race in each different map. 10 wins in Silm 15 is meaningless but 7 wins in Silm 15 as p2 is insightful. Anyway I suggested this idea a while ago and the ranking system was secondary to what I felt was most important - a separate lobby - so people can wait in LotR rooms and play CS/RM/DM games at the same time. Additionally, the match links would allow for people who are so inclined to collate a library of recordings etc.
Fully agree.
There are several mistakes here so I'll address each in turn:
I don't follow your train of logic - the fact I haven't played Tale of Years in 3 weeks does not mean I cannot make a valid opinion but more importantly, it does not mean I cannot make a correct observation as after all, I can receive feedback from other players who have played the map. In any case, I think you've missed the point as the fact you disagree with my opinion proves my earlier point that the Lord of the Rings community cannot agree on determining whether or not a map is balanced. I get the impression you totally misunderstood my post and/or failed to read it - I used the word "balanced"for a reason. "Balance" and "fair" are not the same thing. Perhaps you should reread my comment?
I'm not starting **** - I'm just giving you feedback or criticism. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't think you could take it and scrutinize it objectively - guess I expected too much huh? Now you're also misquoting me - whatever.
The lobby idea has been discussed before - not enough LotR players wanted it.
Your idea about rating LotR on the Alternative ladder is ridiculous. Not only is it in the CS lobby which I have discussed before, the mechanisms required to "rate" a LotR game are absent. Have you even considered what happens when someone has to go - say p7 in Silm has to go but he has already crushed b123 and 6 - his units are transferred etc. What do you do then?
Your idea about introducing it as a league map is equally bad - what happens when nobody bar the existing LotR players play it? No harm done - except perhaps the greatest work of fiction ever written is abandoned because the player base is too illiterate and unskilled to appreciate it.
I bet they didnt even look at the map
They probably didn't - or got jilted once, maybe twice.
My humble opinion, greetings!
And you seem to be showing how dumb you are.
Any plausible map to be considered to be rated should be 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4.
Fate as a 4v4 is pretty balanced map, could need some more work on it though.
LotR Last Alliance 6p version is a good 3v3 map what can also be considered to be rated.
LotR Mini (smaller version of 3rd Age War LotR map - Hanni) could be the best option to make rated.
Also there are various 2v2 maps which are siege's of cities like Minas Tirith 4p or Helm's Deep Siege. There is ofc 2v2 without siege which is Wilderland (based on 3rd Age battles taken place in area called Rhovanion).
These maps listed would be easiest for new players to practice the gamestyle of LotR and therefore only validate options for to be rated.